Tuesday, 16 February 2010

Lubos Motel finds a trick to hide the embarassment

Lubos calls for an apology in his new post Sir John Houghton is a liar
"I urge Sir John Houghton, the Independent, and all those blogs to apologize to Benny Peiser whose quote was inaccurate in its wording but certainly not in the content."

All I can say is PHEW! At Denial Depot we've been up late the last couple of nights in a kind of panic situation as the John Houghton incident (not a scandal, definitely not a gate) developed. We recognized immediately that the incident was nothing but a commie plot to embarrass the Dear Leader, The Honorable Sir Lord Monckton who had prominently displayed the quote in question on one of his famous lecture slides:



The incident was sparked when Sir John Houghton, former head of the IPCC, decided to haphazardly deny he ever uttered the quote attribued to him, "Unless we announce disasters, noone will listen"

Then to make matters worse an IPCC cheerleading backwater gossip rag had the audacity to publish the headline Fabricated quote used to discredit climate scientist.

So we were frantically trying to figure out a response - a way of spinning it back to make John Houghton the criminal again. As an early attempt we pointed out that skeptics had been citing the quote for years. Why had it taken John Houghton so long to raise an objection? Hasn't he been reading our blogs?

Next we planned to provide the original source and show them where John Houghton had said those words. Being skeptics we of course keep meticulous notes and have a thorough auditing system in place so we were confident that the quote was genuine and our ace journalists had the source. But something odd transpired, it turned out we had lost the notes. Not in a climategate crime-against-humanity way, just that we couldn't find the original source which we based our claims on. This isn't a big deal. Mistakes happen. And anyway it's just one error in such a lot of slides. It happens. Sometimes you lose things. Sometimes you make mistakes. Move on is what us skeptics say. I don't see the big deal anyway, we are only smearing the reputation of a scientist by accusing him saying something that amounts to dishonesty. Ok the quote happens to not have been made by him at all. Is that really a big deal?

We were aghast at the possibility that we would have to apologize. Apologize? No way! We're not apologizing to some commie new world order. In flies Lubo on his white horse and shining armor to save the day and craftily spin the story back onto John Houghton. The answer was simple: Just call him a liar.

So our story now is, OK, John Houghton didn't make the claim "Unless we announce disasters, noone will listen". But he could have done. In some alternate reality he could of said that. And look in our own reality he has said other stuff OK? And now we think about it, we could have quoted that other stuff instead. Yea. But by chance we quoted the false quote, just a coincidence. But the other stuff is just as good OK? And that alone means we shouldn't need to apologize. Oh and it also means that logically John Houghton is a liar.

Look what John Houghton did say. Look at the scandal that Lubos has uncovered:

"If we want a good environmental policy in the future, we'll have to have a disaster. It's like safety on public transport, The only way humans will act is if there's been an accident."

It sounds very much like he's justifying the London terrorist attacks in 2005. So next headline for Lubos:
John Houghton is an Al Qaeda terrorist

And that's the memo.

108 comments:

  1. Dr Inferno,

    Thank you for passing on this fascinating account!

    I hadn't seen Lubos Motel's blog before, but after perusing it, it is clear that Lubos is a free spirit of the blogosphere unrestrained by so-called "facts". By seeing beyond the mere words that Sir John Houghton used, and establishing the essence of their meaning, Lubos has freed us from the narrow perspective of the alarmist eco-jihadist bed-wetters.

    Welcome to blog science Lubos!

    Perhaps Lubos could be persuaded to do a guest post at Denial Depot?

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  2. SuperDuperDenier17 February 2010 01:06

    I suspect a conspiracy here. Would it be possible that "Sir" John would have given us deniers the impression that he could have said that, just so that at a later stage he could accuse us of smearing his reputation?

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  3. Dr Inferno,

    In my blog science research I have some across a truly amazing site:

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    Talk about alarmist propoganda! They are claiming that CO2 will destroy the universe!

    First it was the glaciers melting in 2035, now the whole universe is being destroyed. Rajendra Pachauri should do the honorable thing and resign.

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  4. Baron von Monckhofen17 February 2010 03:36

    Houghton: "If we want a good environmental policy in the future, we'll have to have a disaster. It's like safety on public transport, The only way humans will act is if there's been an accident."

    I'm world famous for my reading comprehension, and I will tell you what that means:
    "I really want to have an enironmental disaster, and a public transport accident. I will act to make them happen."

    Hougthon sees no value in human lives except for as sacrifices to his bloated environmentalist demon-god! And all the other enviro-commie-islamists are the same: Al-Gore, Hansen, di Caprio, the Ugandan usurper Obama, bin Laden, Stalin. Mash that dirty red scum, kick 'em in the teeth where it hurts. Kill! Kill! Kill! The filthy bastard commies, I hate 'em! I hate 'em! Aaargh! Aaargh!

    Omne vivum ex ovo.

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  5. John Houghton an Al Qaeda terrorist? But we all know Al-Qaeda was created by the CIA, and that the 9/11 attacks were staged by American intelligence agencies to gain support for Bush's war in Iraq. So, I wouldn't be surprised if the Al Gores of this world stage a big disaster some time soon to divert the attention from the errors in the IPCCC reports. Yes, I think we can expect a major flood or drought or heatwave this year, with many casualties, and many people will get scared again. But we shouldn't give in, because we all know it is just a conspiracy.

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  6. You guys are just a bunch of wannabies, although your motives may be sincere. Real science is not done in blogs, it's done by real people, in real, physical places. Like my barn. That's why I would like to introduce the concept of Barn Science (BS). Actually, just the other day I performed an experiment that proves that we don't have to worry about AGW. Or anything else for that matter. In the experiment, I modelled the earth by a tomato (picked just outside my barn). I then modelled an asteroid impact by using a quite small rock (approx. 1kg). The experiments showed that even a small asteroid, the size of a brick, would annihilate the earth completely. Now imagine what would happen to the earth if an asteroid about the size of a cow would hit us!

    So stop doing this ridiculous blog science. Start spending your money on big cars and tractors. Or join the real science, BS.

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  7. Kunning-Druger makes an excellent point. While his (her?) experiment might not be a perfect analogy, I would trust it much further than the climate scientists with their computer models.

    We need to learn to trust our senses, and real people with real barns, not just fancy scientists with fancy computers.

    However, we still need blog science to act as a clearing house for the barn science results, otherwise how would anybody hear about it?

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  8. Inferno,

    But something odd transpired, it turned out we had lost the notes.

    Why don't we file an FOI request? It's a win-lose situation. We win, they lose.

    - If they stall, they lose for looking like not wanting or not being able to answer our sceptic questions.
    - If they can't provide the notes, they look bad for having deleted incriminating evidence
    - If they provide the notes, we will have the proof that we can parade around and prove they are the alarmists we really say they are like we have been saying all along.

    This isn't a big deal. Mistakes happen.

    Now this is going a bit too far. We? Making mistakes? Let me get this straight: mistakes happen only in the IPCC manuscripts, we never ever make mistakes. Actually, nobody outside the IPCC does. ONLY THE IPCC MAKES ERRORS.

    The notes have been deleted from our archives by an IPCC drone. That's for sure.

    Inferno, I must say I am a bit disappointed. Are you losing your edge? Stay on top of it!

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  9. Oh, and another weird quote I found in the post:

    we are only smearing the reputation of a scientist

    I ask you: How can you spoil a turd?

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  10. Kunning-Druger

    I assume that your barn being a REAL barn has some cows it? We all know they are accused of producing more global warming than our suv's, but I ask you: with the amount of burping and farting going on in your barn, there should have been spontaneous combustion. Tell us whether you have any observations of the sort.

    And secondly, how are the cows behaving? Are they normal cows, chewing hay and licking everything in sight or do they show signs of BCSS (bad conscience stress syndrome)? Those poor beasts are accused of trashing the planet while only producing hamburger ingredients. Please provide us with some insight into their mental health.

    Looking forward to your valuable BS contributions.

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  11. It sounds very much like he's justifying the London terrorist attacks in 2005.

    Read the quote again. HE IS ADVOCATING GENOCIDE.

    And please note that when he said the word "DISASTERS" he said it in a red font. RED LIKE PEOPLE BLOOD.

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  13. Baron von Monckhofen22 February 2010 09:28

    "Weapons of math destruction"? Maybe they bought them from Niger!

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  14. Flavius Collium1 March 2010 02:07

    Lubos' insights are so deep. Many (like me, who bows before dr Motl's superior intelligence) could not have thought that the word "announce" can be interpreted like that in the context: merely letting the public know that there has been a disaster.

    So it really IS the same meaning.

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  18. We were aghast at the possibility that we would have to apologize. Apologize? No way! We're not apologizing to some commie new world order. In flies Lubo on his white horse and shining armor to save the day and craftily spin the story back onto John Houghton.

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